Hey, we had over 20 people last night! Mostly named Richard, I think. But, I also caught a Wilfredo and a Madeleine. A really good discussion, I thought. We usually do well on broad issues that have a clear, moral component and touch on our country’s basic principles. Here’s some follow-up on Proposition 8 ruling and on the NYC non-mosque mosque controversy.
NYC MUSLIM COMMUNITY CENTER
I was disturbed by how nonchalant people were about the ugly attempt to run a religious organization out-of-town just because some Americans are offended by it because they think that any organization related to Islam somehow is a symbol of our enemy. It seemed especially ironic to me since it followed a 1-1/2 hour discussion of the importance of maintaining our religious freedoms. I highly recommend at least the first two articles below.
- An eloquent and saddened conservative begs for sanity.
- Shame, shame on Republican politicians for exploiting this. They are more cynical than bigoted
- The Anti-Defamation League is on the wrong side here, and should be ashamed.
- FYI, a basic primer on this “issue:”
Of course, this is not aimed at any one group member, and certainly not at Ron. Ron was very clear that he did not support the haters; he just thought the mosque should yield to the pressure. I don’t.
UPDATE: From the excellent blog at The Economist called, Democracy In America:
“Others have already done a thorough job defending [Cordoba House] using the principles America was founded on, and there’s no need to repeat their work here. What strikes me, though, reading through essays and tweets against the mosque, is the sense of entitlement the opponents of the mosque have. Since America was hurt, they seem to believe, no one should dare probe at or around that hurt, lest it cause too much pain.
One of the things I love about America is that we probe. We over-share and we over-ask, and at times we can be tremendously offensive. But I think that because of our probing, we’re good at forgetting. There are no 900-year-old battles lost to the Ottoman Turks that still animate us as a nation. I can’t speak to those who lost loved ones on September 11th, those who feel a personal grief, but I can speak to the rest of us (including myself) who walked away with a sense of national grief: Don’t covet your grief like a precious thing, something that justifies your every whim. We don’t deserve not to be offended just because we got hurt. And just because we lost something doesn’t mean we get everything we want, or even deserve everything we want. Religious freedom is an American value. The freedom to offend is too.”
PROPOSITION 8 RULING
A lot has been written about this. Here are my favorites so far.
- Slate’s Dahlia Lithwick.
- “Future of Marriage Now Up to One Guy” Anthony Kennedy, who can find a way to rule for prop.8 if he wants to.
- A more conservative legal scholar’s comments (a list of his posts). This gets kind of technical.
Later on I’ll post some good constitutional law sites that you can bookmark for when the courts issue some big ruling.